When I work on genealogy for my family tree macrame, I don't just work on my direct family lines. I have been known to fill out my tree branches of the direct family of siblings and the families of folks who marry into my tree.
Because of this my tree has grown exponentially over the years and is the size of a California redwood rather than a spindly birch sapling.
I have been known to get lost in side branches and the branches of those who are related by marriage.
And sometimes a person you find, you just can't shake thinking about them and their life story.
Another thing I am a member of is Find A Grave. This is a site where people walk graveyards(or access cemetery records)and record online where the dead are buried(or create cenotaphs or 'burial unknown' memorials for those cremated, lost at sea or who's burial place is unknown). Find A Grave aka FAG can be another helpful source of information when official records are unavailable to you. FAG can also confirm or help you sort out confusing information in your genealogy research.
A fellow FAG member contacted me a couple of weeks ago. They had been to a cemetery in VA and had photographed the gravestone for someone I created a memorial for and whom I had placed in a different cemetery. Their death certificate had listed them buried in the graveyard I placed the memorial info into, but it turns out they aren't buried there after all.
This family is actually related to me through a cousin(we've both done the DNA thing to confirm it and on paper it's 6th cousins)by marriage into her direct line. Her father's sister married into this family. Cousin's aunt married Carl Anton Lipp.
Carl Lipp's parents were John Lipp and Minnie Urech.
John and Minnie were born in Switzerland and immigrated separately to America-Minnie in 1893 according to Passenger lists and John either in 1881 or 1893 depending on which census he self-reported this information on.
At any rate they both ended up in Nebraska by 1897 and were married there in Columbus on the 29th of April of that year.
In the 1900 census they have one child, Mary, born in 1899 and are living in Columbus, NE. John incidentally is a farmer.
By the 1910 census John and Minnie have removed to Newville, Sussex County, Virginia and their family has grown to include 5 children-Mary, Frank, John Fred, Bertha and Lillie Olivia. And John is still farming.
Another daughter was born in Sept of 1910, Rosa Lipp, and a son arrived in 1918 named Carl Anton Lipp.
Sometime between 1910 and 1918 Mary Lipp, John and Minnie's oldest daughter, married a man named Peter T. Piatka. Their marriage license has not been found online yet but later evidence leads me to believe that indeed they were married. The marriage probably took place in one of the counties in Virginia were this family lived-Sussex or Prince George county, both of which are south of Petersburg Virginia.
Mary and Peter Piatka had a daughter, Louise Virginia Piatka born on 18 June 1918.
In the 1920 federal census the household of John Lipp contains these family members--Mary Lipp Piatka, John Jr., Bertha, Lillie Olivia, Rosa, Carl Anton and Louise Piatka(Mary and Peter's daughter).
John's wife, Minnie is gone and Mary Lipp is not living with her husband and the father of her child Louise, Pete Piatka.
John Lipp is listed as a widow so I turned to the death certificate records, finding Minnie's certificate and made this discovery........
Minnie Urich Lipp died on Sept 23rd 1918, only 2 months after giving birth to her youngest child Carl , at the age of 46.
Here's a close up of the important part the "Cause of Death".........
"Murder by shot gun in hands of Pete Piatka".
WTF???
I then went to find Pete Piatka's death certificate.
Peter T. Piatka died on the same day as Minnie Lipp, 23 Sept. 1918.
Cause of death...."Suicide by shotgun."
Wow! A murder suicide in the family.
Here is as much as I can find about Peter Piatka from official records.
He was from "Bogaw" Austria according to the ship passenger manifest. I believe the place name is Burgau and it wasn't written correctly as there is no Bogaw in Austria. Burgau is in the eastern edge of present day Austria near the Hungarian border.
Peter arrived in American in the port of New York on board the "Caroline" on 13 Feb. 1910, 4 years before the start of World War I in Europe. He was 18 years old at that time and listed his occupation as a shoemaker.
On his WWI draft registration from June 1917, it states his birth date is 29 June 1892 and he is 25 years old. He is stout of stature, medium height with dark hair and blue eyes. He was working at that time as a machinist in Waverly Virginia in a garage and is single.
By June of 1918 he is married and a father and by Sept. of that same year he is dead from a gun shot.
If you are like me, your mind wanders to questions about what went wrong in these people's lives.
Why did Peter come from NY to settle there in this part of VA?
Did he speak only German(or Hungarian)and found a community of German speakers who were culturally similiar in this small town outside of Petersburg, VA?
Did he or a relative in the Austria know someone there?
With the timing of his immigration, was he fleeing the Austrian-Hungarian Empire because he foresaw political/civil unrest and the coming of a war?
Was he a "hot head" who pissed off someone important or did he have a dysfunctional family and was running away from something?
Was there a lack of employment and opportunity for him in Europe?
Was he discriminated against due to his ethnicity?
So many questions we'll never know the answers to.
And then last week this little gem of a newspaper article popped up in an online search.......
From the Washington Post under their "Maryland and the Virginias" section-
"KILLS HIS MOTHER IN-LAW
----------------
Virginia Farmer Ends Own Life as Climax of Quarrel
Special to the Washington Post
Petersburg, Va, Sept. 23---P T Piatka, a farmer residind about eight miles from Disputanta station on the Norfolk and Western Railway, last night shot and killed his mother in-law, Mrs. John Lipp, and then took his own life. The tragedy is said to have been the outcome of a quarrel between Piatka and his wife. Mrs. Piatka went to the home of her parents, a few miles from Disputanta, and there the killing of Mrs. Lipp occurred.
After the killing(of)Mrs. Lipp, Piatka went into the woods a short distance and fired a bullet into his head.
So mystery solved, at least the bare facts of it.
Either it was a rather large issue which led to this quarrel or Peter Piatka was a bit unhinged.
Either way, two infants were left without a parent and two spouses were left widowed.
Mary Lipp Piatka went on to marry James Walter Bailey sometime after 1921 as they had a son in Aug. of 1922. Helen and John Bailey were also born to this couple in subsequent years.
Mary Lipp Piatka Bailey lived until 2003, dying at the age of 104.
Photo taken by John Whitt for F.A.G.
Peter and Mary's daughter, Louise Virginia took the surname of her step father James Walter Bailey.
Louise married George Franklin Blackwell in June of 1936 in Hopewell, Virginia. They had a daughter in 1939 and then three more daughters. Between the birth of the first child and their deaths the family moved to South Carolina. Both Louise and George would die in South Carolina, in 1966 and 1981, respectively.
Photo taken by Danny & Judy Ard for F.A.G.
After I made a memorial for Peter Piatka on Find A Grave I contacted the people who maintained both Louise's and Mary's memorials to link the daughter and wife to Piatka's memorial. The "owner" of Louise's memorial had a problem with me linking Peter's memorial to hers. I told him that I wouldn't post the death certificate nor the details of his death and his part in the murder of Louise's grandmother, Minnie. He declined to link saying that this father info wasn't in her newspaper published obituary.
I don't see the problem with saying out loud what really happened since all the players have long since passed away.
This sort of shoving unpleasant facts of life into a closet is why people become disconnected from their past. Yes, this is a sad outcome or even a family tragedy if you will. I believe this was a tragedy as two infants lost a parent each and two adults lost their spouse and one her mother as well over a momentary situation that wasn't diffused in time.
I don't think it does anyone any good to hide from our pasts, even the bad stuff in it. If we aren't trying to hide from the bad things in life they can't define us.
Sluggy
Because of this my tree has grown exponentially over the years and is the size of a California redwood rather than a spindly birch sapling.
I have been known to get lost in side branches and the branches of those who are related by marriage.
And sometimes a person you find, you just can't shake thinking about them and their life story.
Another thing I am a member of is Find A Grave. This is a site where people walk graveyards(or access cemetery records)and record online where the dead are buried(or create cenotaphs or 'burial unknown' memorials for those cremated, lost at sea or who's burial place is unknown). Find A Grave aka FAG can be another helpful source of information when official records are unavailable to you. FAG can also confirm or help you sort out confusing information in your genealogy research.
A fellow FAG member contacted me a couple of weeks ago. They had been to a cemetery in VA and had photographed the gravestone for someone I created a memorial for and whom I had placed in a different cemetery. Their death certificate had listed them buried in the graveyard I placed the memorial info into, but it turns out they aren't buried there after all.
This family is actually related to me through a cousin(we've both done the DNA thing to confirm it and on paper it's 6th cousins)by marriage into her direct line. Her father's sister married into this family. Cousin's aunt married Carl Anton Lipp.
Carl Lipp's parents were John Lipp and Minnie Urech.
John and Minnie were born in Switzerland and immigrated separately to America-Minnie in 1893 according to Passenger lists and John either in 1881 or 1893 depending on which census he self-reported this information on.
At any rate they both ended up in Nebraska by 1897 and were married there in Columbus on the 29th of April of that year.
In the 1900 census they have one child, Mary, born in 1899 and are living in Columbus, NE. John incidentally is a farmer.
By the 1910 census John and Minnie have removed to Newville, Sussex County, Virginia and their family has grown to include 5 children-Mary, Frank, John Fred, Bertha and Lillie Olivia. And John is still farming.
Another daughter was born in Sept of 1910, Rosa Lipp, and a son arrived in 1918 named Carl Anton Lipp.
Sometime between 1910 and 1918 Mary Lipp, John and Minnie's oldest daughter, married a man named Peter T. Piatka. Their marriage license has not been found online yet but later evidence leads me to believe that indeed they were married. The marriage probably took place in one of the counties in Virginia were this family lived-Sussex or Prince George county, both of which are south of Petersburg Virginia.
Mary and Peter Piatka had a daughter, Louise Virginia Piatka born on 18 June 1918.
In the 1920 federal census the household of John Lipp contains these family members--Mary Lipp Piatka, John Jr., Bertha, Lillie Olivia, Rosa, Carl Anton and Louise Piatka(Mary and Peter's daughter).
John's wife, Minnie is gone and Mary Lipp is not living with her husband and the father of her child Louise, Pete Piatka.
John Lipp is listed as a widow so I turned to the death certificate records, finding Minnie's certificate and made this discovery........
Minnie Urich Lipp died on Sept 23rd 1918, only 2 months after giving birth to her youngest child Carl , at the age of 46.
Here's a close up of the important part the "Cause of Death".........
"Murder by shot gun in hands of Pete Piatka".
WTF???
I then went to find Pete Piatka's death certificate.
Peter T. Piatka died on the same day as Minnie Lipp, 23 Sept. 1918.
Cause of death...."Suicide by shotgun."
Wow! A murder suicide in the family.
Here is as much as I can find about Peter Piatka from official records.
He was from "Bogaw" Austria according to the ship passenger manifest. I believe the place name is Burgau and it wasn't written correctly as there is no Bogaw in Austria. Burgau is in the eastern edge of present day Austria near the Hungarian border.
Peter arrived in American in the port of New York on board the "Caroline" on 13 Feb. 1910, 4 years before the start of World War I in Europe. He was 18 years old at that time and listed his occupation as a shoemaker.
On his WWI draft registration from June 1917, it states his birth date is 29 June 1892 and he is 25 years old. He is stout of stature, medium height with dark hair and blue eyes. He was working at that time as a machinist in Waverly Virginia in a garage and is single.
By June of 1918 he is married and a father and by Sept. of that same year he is dead from a gun shot.
If you are like me, your mind wanders to questions about what went wrong in these people's lives.
Why did Peter come from NY to settle there in this part of VA?
Did he speak only German(or Hungarian)and found a community of German speakers who were culturally similiar in this small town outside of Petersburg, VA?
Did he or a relative in the Austria know someone there?
With the timing of his immigration, was he fleeing the Austrian-Hungarian Empire because he foresaw political/civil unrest and the coming of a war?
Was he a "hot head" who pissed off someone important or did he have a dysfunctional family and was running away from something?
Was there a lack of employment and opportunity for him in Europe?
Was he discriminated against due to his ethnicity?
So many questions we'll never know the answers to.
And then last week this little gem of a newspaper article popped up in an online search.......
From the Washington Post under their "Maryland and the Virginias" section-
"KILLS HIS MOTHER IN-LAW
----------------
Virginia Farmer Ends Own Life as Climax of Quarrel
Special to the Washington Post
Petersburg, Va, Sept. 23---P T Piatka, a farmer residind about eight miles from Disputanta station on the Norfolk and Western Railway, last night shot and killed his mother in-law, Mrs. John Lipp, and then took his own life. The tragedy is said to have been the outcome of a quarrel between Piatka and his wife. Mrs. Piatka went to the home of her parents, a few miles from Disputanta, and there the killing of Mrs. Lipp occurred.
After the killing(of)Mrs. Lipp, Piatka went into the woods a short distance and fired a bullet into his head.
So mystery solved, at least the bare facts of it.
Either it was a rather large issue which led to this quarrel or Peter Piatka was a bit unhinged.
Either way, two infants were left without a parent and two spouses were left widowed.
Mary Lipp Piatka went on to marry James Walter Bailey sometime after 1921 as they had a son in Aug. of 1922. Helen and John Bailey were also born to this couple in subsequent years.
Mary Lipp Piatka Bailey lived until 2003, dying at the age of 104.
Peter and Mary's daughter, Louise Virginia took the surname of her step father James Walter Bailey.
Louise married George Franklin Blackwell in June of 1936 in Hopewell, Virginia. They had a daughter in 1939 and then three more daughters. Between the birth of the first child and their deaths the family moved to South Carolina. Both Louise and George would die in South Carolina, in 1966 and 1981, respectively.
After I made a memorial for Peter Piatka on Find A Grave I contacted the people who maintained both Louise's and Mary's memorials to link the daughter and wife to Piatka's memorial. The "owner" of Louise's memorial had a problem with me linking Peter's memorial to hers. I told him that I wouldn't post the death certificate nor the details of his death and his part in the murder of Louise's grandmother, Minnie. He declined to link saying that this father info wasn't in her newspaper published obituary.
I don't see the problem with saying out loud what really happened since all the players have long since passed away.
This sort of shoving unpleasant facts of life into a closet is why people become disconnected from their past. Yes, this is a sad outcome or even a family tragedy if you will. I believe this was a tragedy as two infants lost a parent each and two adults lost their spouse and one her mother as well over a momentary situation that wasn't diffused in time.
I don't think it does anyone any good to hide from our pasts, even the bad stuff in it. If we aren't trying to hide from the bad things in life they can't define us.
Sluggy
I agree with you. It's 100 years ago, for goodness sake. Who are they trying to protect LOL. Like you said, makes it hard to find the details/truth.
ReplyDeleteI, too, have often wondered what led someone to small places in the country. In this area of the country a man convinced 100,000 pwople to come to this area of the country from the north or to come from Germany.
ReplyDeleteI have some relatives who are hiding from bad things in the past. But, since it was only as far back as my father's generation, I suppose I can understand.
I agree with you - memorials of any kind (and statues) are meant to remember the good, bad and ugly. Pushing it into the back of a closet does nothing for anyone. Might be a generational thing though, maybe it was always that long held dark secret. Can't hide from the internet though
ReplyDeleteWow... what an interesting read. There was a line in a movie that I watched the other night that reminds me of this. You just can't tell the good part of the story, you have to tell bad stuff. It's all part of the whole story.
ReplyDeleteWell that's a tragic tale. :-(
ReplyDeleteI love your interesting searches and finds! I live in one of those families that never tells anything and when it is found out much later the shock value is so much more than it would have been otherwise.
ReplyDeleteAfter my uncle died his son became wheelchair bound and found a genealogy obsession to occupy some of his adjustment period. Naturally he started with his immediate family and imagine his shock to find his own father had been married and divorced in his early college days and no one had ever told him or his siblings a thing about it.
Turns out his father (my uncle) was home for spring break, went on a real bender and drunkenly got married (Justice of the Peace 2 a.m. kind of thing) to the cocktail waitress who was serving him. 3 days later after sobering up (I am assuming he stayed totally plowed during the love fest) he realized he was married. From what I understand, the times were not so apt to grant an annulment so he had to go through a legal divorce. I suppose since the young couple had met just the night they married there were no love loss, but I understand there had to be some financial compensation to the blushing bride (turns out she was not so young and not so beautiful when daylight and sobriety happened)
I am glad my cousin delved into the dark arts or I would have never heard this wonderful tale.
Such a fascinating story. I recently found out after two different DNA tests that my Great Grandmother was European Jew I grew up hearing a combination of Austrian and Italian with some Lithuanian missed in for good measure.
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